Shahab Sabahi
Energy and Environment for Development – Policy Analysis Research Group
In a discussion with Professor Shabbir, I was asked for my thought on the concept of “progress”. By nature my mind was starting to make up words, based on my knowledge, for expressing my proposition, but I paused. Second thought ran through my mind that it would be better to look into “progress” from a different perspective. I have never thought about its concept in the context of our days.
Progress entails time and reference. It is a dynamic phenomenon that occurs over the time span. It should also be gauged and compared with a reference. Therefore an accurate definition, from social science standpoint, would be as “humankind evolves toward perfections”. In effect perfections are values which are established in societies. Let me borrow the values from the origin of law.
Thomas Aquinas in his Summa Theologica describes that virtue denotes a certain perfection of powers. He says that “a thing's perfection is considered chiefly in regard to its end. But the end of power is act. Wherefore power is said to be perfect, according as it is determinate to its act”.
Thomas defined the four cardinal virtues as prudence, temperance, justice, and fortitude which are natural and revealed in nature, and they are binding on everyone. There are, however, three theological virtues, faith, hope and charity. These are somewhat supernatural and are distinct from other virtues in their object.
The object of the intellectual and moral virtues is something comprehensible to human reason. Therefore the theological virtues are specifically distinct from the moral and intellectual virtues
Giving this ground, we are now able to discuss about the concept of progress.
The concept of progress had been developing for centuries before conceding as a principle by western societies. In the 17th century, enlightenment thinkers believed that man emancipated by reason would rise to ever greater heights of achievement. The many manifestations of his humanity would be the engines of progress: language, community, science, commerce, moral sensibility and government. Unfortunately, many of those engines have failed.
Inevitably for developed western countries, the idea, in its classical form, was fundamental for their freedom, democracy and technological advancements.
The idea supported the development of reasoning and rationale and also free-market, social spending, innovation and investments. Societies have continued to advance in the paths which the idea of progress had paved.
But there is a flip side. The 18th century, societies were optimistic that business could bring prosperity; and that prosperity, in its turn, could bring enlightenment. Business has lived up to the first half of that promise. (Joseph Schumpeter) In the early 20th, the idea that individual progress should be subsumed into the shared destiny of nation led to break out of wars. Nationalism became the chief organizing principle of society even in the Middle East . Ruling elite in the pursuit of progress, in some countries, committed crime against people. The idea that humans would advance as part of a collective, would encourage few that have the right and the duty to impose progress on the masses whether they choose it or not,. It claims the blood of millions. With the demise of communism in the early 90s, it was proved that decay is inevitable for every system (No system is perfect and cannot get close to perfection) that basing on stagnated ideologies. Even ideology and concept should get changes over time as the society’s values are altered.
Now the modern world focuses on consumption and quantities progress. They are based on the classical capitalism principles.
There is a question. Does capitalism with its classical and untouched principles along with technologies have power to tackle our day’s challenges such as climate change, inequality, poverty, energy security, water and food management and support any changes in favor of the wellbeing of the world?
Certainly history has more stories about the usefulness of technologies, but the point is that the quantitative concept of progress is unable to guide smoothly onto progress for humanity. From the human progress perspective, science needs governing and to be hitched to what humanity call “moral progress”. It yields untold benefits, if people wisely use it. Societies should understand what kind of technologies benefit the whole aspects of their lives and how the technologies should be used. And to do that, we must take into account the society’s values and the way through which people behave in each society based on theirs own culture and the universal human value.
I think, not. Good topic, btw.
ReplyDeleteProgress, I would say, is not measured by one scale. That is, there's no pure 'human' progress, or 'business', or tech progress. Or behavioural one, or conscious one. If there's ONE total progress, it's a complex result of all the mentioned. Hence, you can't have one-way tech or market progress, and not see the effect on society or behaviour. An overall progress, universal one, would move "forward" all of the social factors. but that's not the case.
To your question: "Should we think over the concept to enrich it in order to live up the next generation's needs?"
I would ask, what are next generation's needs? Eat, sleep, copulate. As all similar creatures' needs. But when you need to hold them as a society, you need them to follow one same way.
For that matter, "progress" in society would be ALL and EVERYTHING to move forward. Some ideas describe how everyone should contribute to society, thereby he should have access to everything he needs. Some say that a real jump would be to abandon the monetary system. Get local, get commune, get social, get responsible.
In some ways, that describes "good values"-oriented system. But I don't think it can exist like that.
Reasons:
Market, challenging, proving, violence, crime, corruption - they didn't show up just like that. It's more about the challenge - mostly for resources. It all came from that.
And now humanity has forgotten why it drove all that way and why so many children were born and lately killed.
Lately, after all that dynamic tech-progress, also ratio-progress, some men turned their minds to those severe needs. They'd say, "no, we don't need money, we need community which reproduces and supports itself".
The answer:
Now, I think the last sentence hold the real question for the progress: "Is such a community possible?" Thus, we will ensure our children will have enough resources to meet 1. their biological needs; 2. their social needs.
Enriching a concept wouldn't do anything further than provoking philosophers reffer and interpretate it over and over. A CONCEPT is already given; a LABEL is being interpretated narrowly. If you need to expand the meaning of the LABEL (word), I can't help. If you want to extend the meaning, i.e. the CONCEPT behind the word, then just think of it globally - take all the factors and aspects, because it can't be just "tech progress" without "values change", for example.
Good night! :)
Progress is an attempt by humans to escape from a big dark box in which they find themselves in order to get into another that has plenty of light.
ReplyDeleteProgress is essentially a multi- linear quest toward perpetual social transformation against the dangers of social atavism and other regressive human proclivities.
ReplyDeleteI view the concept of progress as Individual, Family, Society, State and World is ability to reason towards well being of self, Family, Society, State and World. When we become selfish towards self and that is relate to self, progress get stagnated and become feudalistic in nature. Anything which is feudal in nature become exploitative and divides the society.
ReplyDeleteProgress of Humanity, Land, Society, Family or Individual starts with Duties.. When we are perfect in Duties, Rights will automatically reach to others. This makes society progress, prosper with Peace.
Excuse me, Sharmila, but isn't it more PROCESS than ability or whatever?
ReplyDeleteProgress is the act itself. It's ethimology equals it with "to advance", "to move forward", hence the noun describes this very action again.
No matter if we apply it to individual or state, it's a movement from a certain level to what's believed to be better, more advanced, more forward. And what's better is another concept (say "Super-Ego", specific type of society or just a goal to be reached). Between point A and point B is the progress. When you reach point B, the progress has already been achieved, i.e. point B is the result of the progress. :)
Have a nice day all!
PS: just a note: peace may be a progress to you, but war is more profitable, it allows illegal transactions and sales; it allows gaining more "area of influence" over the world, so for some different persons than us talking here peace is not really a progress in a specific way.
Thanks Juliana for your views.
ReplyDeleteTo me Process is only way to take you to the Progress. Unless you have the ability and skill no matter you have a clear road you will not be able to reach.
If a State want to progress at the cost of survival of its neighbors or region without utilizing its ability, that progress is not permanent. War has never given Progress, but a new life after death and new life is always struggling. US is having an acute financial crisis after put so much in the process of progress in Middle East.
If War would have been the process for progress, the Muslim world would not have remained behind and we would not have numerous treaties to block war and invasions.
Progress is the distance between point A and Point B over time. It is a value judgement about Point A relative to Point B. If A Point B than progress toward B is negative. Time is the unidirectional distance between the two points. A and B can be anything you want them to be.
ReplyDeletePrecisely. The action, the process itself - this is it. Depending on evaluation of A and B there would be positivity or negativity of the process.
ReplyDeleteValue judgment is the pivotal point to this discussion. Pre-modern societies, when they were fairly isolated, were gotten through their progress paths. Each could formulate solutions for their own problems basing on it view of the world. Progress occurred over the course of time
ReplyDeleteIn our days, given a large variety of cultures and cultural values in the context of integrated societies (globalization), HOW could this value judgment play around? Does the entire WORLD not need to undertake a collective progress?
Any progress that the ENTIRE World makes is the net result of the cumulative actions of the world's population and their institutions. At the moment the question of success for the world may be whether humanity will survive global climate change and/or prevent nuclear suicide.
ReplyDeleteProgress is the among the most opaque of concepts: value loaded and very, very abstract. From your representation, it appears you are referring to progress as it was first used in the 18th century, became a key rationalization for political and economic policy during the 19th and first half of the 20th century, and has been subject to growing criticism ever since. Of course, you are referring to the concept of progress that was adopted by the revolutionary middle classes during the 18th and early 19th centuries, acquired the status of a universal standard of value for judging political and social programs as well as civilizations, and is now besieged by the concepts of progress held dear by a growing number of economic, political and ideological competitors of classical industrial capitalist political economy.
ReplyDeleteYes, a value in a relativistic universe
ReplyDeleteVictor and Barry.........What may be the chief drivers and motives behind "progress", in sociaties, school of thoughts, and ideologies, in our days?
ReplyDeleteShould we think over our values and re-define them?
The idea of progress has an evolutionary and cultural base through which human scientific understanding and technological capacity are synergistically and strategically reinforced to become the driving forces of "what we may call progress" at a certain point in space over time.
ReplyDelete"Inevitably the concept of progress, as a primary idea, was fundamental for society's freedom, democracy and technological advancements (particularly in the west world)... The idea supported the development of reasoning and rationale and also free-market, social spending, innovation and investments." You have presented most of the answers to your question in your original query. Values are products of social organization, mostly but not exclusively of modes of production and of political systems. Also as the fundamental conditions of individual and collective judgement of possible actions, values are linch-pin of the modes of production and social-political organization of societies. Values then are the products and the preservers of social systems.
ReplyDeleteNow to your next question: we certainly should reflect on the failure of those engines, but more importantly on the various and sundry forces that are competing for the authority and legitimacy that has been partially lost by the decay of what has been till recently the most dominant and dominating economic, political and cultural system in the world. As social scientists we should be particularly aware of the large margin of error intentional and innocent implicit in the subjective economic, political and cultural objectives of the individual competitors for authority and legitimacy.
The current crisis is much more fraught than similar cases in the past. We are witnessing serious economic collapse, potentially and actually deadly environmental degradation, and an array of technologies that potentially endanger large portions of the human race if not all of mankind. Paradoxically, given the size and contemporary condition of most of the human race it is clear that it can only survive by way of development of effective artificial means to adapt to or change the projected changes in the conditions for human existence, which means the expansion of natural scientific research and development of new relevant technologies. It also means on the one hand more intelligent regulation of human practices, and on the other an avoidance of the destructive potential of aggressive competition between militant antagonists. We should also keep in mind that the kind of creativity that is needed and will be needed in the near future only flourishes in an environment of free inquiry, a condition that is very difficult to reconcile with regulation.
You will notice that no particular value system has been offered, but rather a list of operations and policies for minimizing human suffering and maximizing survival. Given the bad record of humankind for intelligent revolutionary reform and the stringent conditions we currently face I'm not very optimistic about our success in our digging out of the pit we've made ourselves.
true....it has evolutionary and cultural bases and depends on time and space (context)
ReplyDeleteYes victor, me either.......and what you point out "..policies for minimizing human suffering and maximizing survival.", may bring another fundamental question to the fore, "What does the concept of being alive mean, just SURVIVING or creating QUALITY of life?".....Fascinating to think over different cultures and their world-view and strategies
ReplyDeleteIn the broad global context discussed here, I think it is important to note that "progress" is a concept that encompasses a hope, optimism and reasoning based on a belief in that particular human ideal of "free will."
ReplyDeleteProgress is only possible if you believe that the individual has the power to take destiny in his/her hand and make of it what he/she desires. There is no progress in a deterministic or fatalist universe. There is change, but change without purpose is not progress, at best it is evolution.
The belief in free will is an act of faith and for those who accept and act on that faith -- progress becomes a possibility. I say a "possibility" because there are no guarantees, but there is "HOPE." I guess this is the most any of us can expect -- a chance.
My two cents to add to the question of what progress is is similar to Barry's but in more of a non-linear approach. Progress leans towards an awareness and an understanding of the present. It is only through the present that the process of the future can be created.
ReplyDeleteAlthough most goals and plans are future based, they can only be reached through the present. If we were to master the present, it may be repeated, simulated, echo-ed or projected into the future. Whether this is to be progress is a matter of opinion.
One meaning for progress in a sociological/ anthropological sense, could mean the preservation of mankind and his environment. This is both a present and future concern. But is it progress??
Progress itself means in action, activity. When you have action, you have past, present and future, related to it - the initiation of the act, a current moment, a future moment or result, or ending. According to a specific value system, progress may mean many things, which basically have this thing in common. If you say anthropological meaning, the example you gave is correct. But if that's considered "good" or "next level" somehow. For example, more than a 100 years ago, progress was equal to burning lots of fuel for the sake of automobile development.
ReplyDeleteThe point of bringing time in here, I'd say, is inevitable while speaking of progress, as it's not a momentary act.
I will ever support the idea that you need to have either a very broad view, and also to be able to get into very specific detail, to completely understand, hence describe a concept, or the meaning of a term. I myself am striving for it. (that's a bit off topic, just needed to mention it)
For me, it's a question of evolution, genetically and memetically. The universe itself doesn't change or get better/worse (even if it appears to do so temporarily). On the grand scale of things, the world itself that is around us hasn't changed.
ReplyDeleteWhat can change is our responses to this world that's objectively around us, such that we can improve ourselves in the fullest of possible fullest of senses (which means including everyone else that supports us, whether we're aware of their presence or not). http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2858831585000&set=a.2858828344919.2147457.1085940082&type=3&theater see this picture I drew from observations I made while ringing customers out of a store during a holiday food drive for more on this view.
We're a young species. And it's very likely that we're still sifting through evolutionary baggage (as Carl Sagan put it), be it genetic or memetic. It's the history of life! And we're not exempt or separate from any of it.
well this thread has become active after 6 months.. so I would like to comment on the concept of PROGRESS.. I have progressed in my knowledge, evaluation by increasing the Spectrum of understanding. In fact, progress is continuous evolution of Knowledge that enables the survival appropriate as the time call for.
ReplyDelete@Eon,
ReplyDeletei see progress as a continuum from past to present and most likey future.....having a quantetative concept, progress should be measured in space and time .....Should not it be like this?
@Julian,
Touche, that is it, as you touch.... Can one comprehend the present independently from the past? and perhaps building vision for future? Does this require a proound and broad view and knowledge?
@Eli,
Nice comment from you "...we're young species......arestill sifting through evolutionary baggage...."How can one understand the universe has not changed? Evolutionary comes with entropy and regeneration, restructuring, so i look forward to hearing from you
@Shamila
your comment reminds me Paul Romer's growth theory.....You, like economists, give a logical touch to your view....Is there any other concept/deteminant to measure/describe progress? not delts(knowledge) with respect to time as you mentioned......
Shahbab, besides economy and knowlege, there are two other aspects that evaluate the Concept of Progress.
ReplyDelete1. Judiciary System
2. The Condition of Women
The execution of Justice is the parameter to evaluate the governance credibility of any Nation. Secondly, the Condition of Women is an indicator of the Progress of any Society and Nation.
@Shahab - I'd say, no. Maybe only time. As a goal or just a further point (to strive for, e.g. progress/advance to) is ONLY a human concept, it is described by humans in their own conceptualization / interpretation. What's in common is that they (us) can regard it to (Shamila) knowledge, (Eli) bio-evolution, economics, if you will, and so on. Just like "back" and "forth/forward" are terms used by humans, "progress" is a move forward to ... just a thing to reach to (also, figuratively).
ReplyDeleteI really don't find point to comment any further. If you or any reader reads the comment above, he will simply find what I've just described, as a common sense of this term.
Yes all just about perception.....human's brains are wired in a way to screen experience of the past, save bright parts (or reshape dark ones in ways that they think they could be bright), build future hopes (visions) over brights.....It is a message, i read in a research work published a year ago
ReplyDeleteWe keep moving forward up to the point the brights run short.....This point can be characterized as values shift, chaos, restructuring with random outcomes
Perhaps it is also an element part of progress